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November 15, 2007

Explosive and Revealing Quotations about 9/11 Completely Ignored by the Mainstream Media



Explosive and Revealing Quotations about 9/11 Completely Ignored by the Mainstream Media

By Arabesque

These explosive and revealing comments about 9/11 have been completely ignored by the Mainstream Media. While talking about the 9/11 commission, 9/11 family member Patty Casazza reveals that FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds had incriminating insider information about the 9/11 attacks:

The Government knew… other than the exact moment… they knew the date, and the method of which the attacks were supposed to come... And none of this made it to mainstream media. None of it made it into the Commission.

And yet, again, all of your Representatives, on the day that the Commission book came out, were on their pulpits saying, “What a fabulous job this Commission has done. A real service to this nation.” And it was anything but a service. It was a complete fabrication.

Family member Patty Casazza is not alone in her belief that we do not have the whole truth about 9/11.

The lack of Mainstream news coverage of these views is very apparent. Fox News in a secret memo implicitly admits that there is a problem with the 'official story' of 9/11:

"The so-called 9/11 Commission has already been meeting. In fact, this is its eighth session. The fact that former Clinton and both former and current Bush administration officials are testifying gives it a certain tension, but this is not 'what did he know and when did he know it' stuff. Don't turn this into Watergate."

In fact, a similar sentiment was expressed by the 9/11 commissioners in their book Without Precedent:

"We were supposed to be independent, not necessarily confrontational. We were investigating a national catastrophe, not a White House transgression; this was 9/11, not Watergate."

One way to avoid controversy is to avoid placing blame:

“In… blaming everybody a little, the Commission blames nobody.” Benjamin DeMott of Harpers Magazine

“The purpose of a government investigatory commission is to place blame where it does the least harm politically.” Paul Craig Roberts

Our aim has not been to assign individual blame.” 9/11 Commission Report, p. xvi

“This was not something that had to happen… There are people that, if I was doing the job, would certainly not be in the position they were in at that time because they failed. They simply failed.” December 17-21, 2003: 9/11 Commission Chairman Says 9/11 Attacks Were Preventable

They "failed" and yet no one was fired or held accountable for it. Instead, those who were in charge of US defense on 9/11 were promoted. No one was fired or reprimanded.

Omission is one of the most powerful tools of disinformation used by the MSM. We see this every day when they do not cover those questioning the official story of 9/11, or when they fail to do this job themselves as implied in this Fox Memo. When they do, they highlight the weakest theories and unprovable speculation along with the ad-hominem "conspiracy theorist" and “conspiracy theories”.

We also see omission when they make entire hit pieces, like the History Channel's 9/11 Conspiracies: Fact or Fiction, in which they pretend that they have all of the answers to the questions.

Another gem of a quotation was provided by NIST. They were tasked with explaining the collapse of the WTC towers and Building 7 on 9/11. In response to a request for correction by 9/11 family members and scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, NIST replied:

"We are unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse".

That's what many 9/11 skeptics have been complaining about for a long time. Here is how George Washington puts it:

Well, yes! That's exactly the point the petitioners are trying to make. No modern steel frame high-rise building has ever collapsed before or after 9/11 due to fire other than at WTC 1, 2 and 7, even though other fires have burned longer and hotter. And even if they somehow did start to collapse, the collapse would not have occurred at virtual free-fall speeds while creating enormous dust clouds right from the start.

While NIST is "unable to provide a full explanation", Physicist Steven Jones had already made this observation when he characterized the NIST report as a "pre-collapse" report:

The NIST team fairly admits that their report' does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.' (NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 12; emphasis added.) Quite a confession, since much of the external evidence for explosive demolition typically comes after collapse initiation, as seen in cases of acknowledged controlled demolition. (Harris, 2000.) The NIST report could be called the official 'pre-collapse theory.'

In other words, NIST had already admitted that they couldn't, or wouldn't provide a full explanation when they specified their report would only deal with "collapse initiation". How the 110 floor World Trade Center Towers crumbled completely to the ground when they were specifically designed to survive plane crashes of the type seen on 9/11, is left unanswered by NIST.

Dr. Steven Jones, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice, and others have their own theory.

October 16, 2007

Cosmos and Truth Revolution Radio: October 15, 2007



Cosmos and Truth Revolution Radio: October 15, 2007

Cosmos interviews Jim Hoffman of 911 Research: Discussion of Disinformation, Disruption, and the Kennebunkport Warning Controversy

Mon., October 15, 2007: Playlists: M3U | RAM (Individual MP3: Click Here)

Transcript by Arabesque

[Edited for brevity and clarity]

[Cosmos opens with discussion of Every 11th Day of the Month Activism for October 11, 2007]

Cosmos: Our guest tonight is Jim Hoffman of the long running wtc7.net site… We met in early 2003 before he got the site up and he was showing people video clips of the towers demolition on his laptop at meetings and getting some fliers together… let me welcome… Jim Hoffman.

Jim Hoffman: Thank you for the introduction. I heard the reports of the ongoing [every 11th day of the month campaign], that’s great.

Cosmos: There’s growth all over the place… especially with this October 11 action… Why don’t we talk about how you got involved with 9/11 research… what you thought of the events? Were you questioning from the beginning?

Jim Hoffman: On the day of the attack I tuned in on TV… I just watched it with my mouth gaping, “what was this all about?” [I had] suspicions right away. “This is all too convenient—what are they going to do, attack Afghanistan? This whole next pretext for a war”… the attack on the Pentagon—the wing that had just undergone blast resistance… and they so quickly uncovered the trail of the… villains—the rental cars with the flight manuals…

Cosmos: That was one of the things that really kicked it in for me… [I thought] “this stinks”.

Jim Hoffman: …It wasn’t until the spring of 2003, that I went back and looked at the events again with fresh eyes and looked at the buildings coming down… there’s an article that came out in 2001… “Muslims suspend the laws of physics”. All of a sudden I just had this “aha” moment—it became glaringly obvious that the buildings were blown up. I couldn’t even see it the way I had previously assumed… [or continue going] along with the official explanation. I had seen the NOVA series, “Why the towers fell” and just bought it “hook, line, and sinker”… It changed everything for me, because from that point forward, I felt that I had to tell people about this… I started passing out fliers… within a few months I got the website going, by late 2003, I had 911research as part of wtc7.net, and 911review.com

Cosmos: You personally were the one who really got me looking at what happened at the Trade Center with those clips that you started collecting and were showing people…

Jim Hoffman: I noticed that if… I could actually get people to look at [footage of the WTC destruction]—most people would have the same basic understanding of it that I did… When you immediately see the explosiveness of those events, or I would just show them building 7 …because it’s such a fundamental thing to come to grips with—to change your view that… these towers collapsed [due to fire], or something entirely different—that the towers were blown up. Building 7, you can take that out of context and show it… people… say “that’s obviously controlled demolition.” …the Twin towers… are the heart of the whole event… the core of the psychological trauma. The thing that put people so deeply in shock to the point that they would accept anything that was explained to them. That’s certainly the effect it had on me—I was just in this uncritical state… even though I had suspicions about who was behind the attack. I didn’t even think rationally about how those buildings came down… until 2003.

Cosmos: It’s really amazing the [effect] that blowing those buildings up had on so many… and their ability to deal rationally with this topic about 9/11… I cannot look at that without saying, [it’s] being blown up right in front of our eyes. At the time, I just took it in—“Whoa—that’s not right”, but not really registering… it really is a hurdle for people. Although it seems so obvious for us.

Jim Hoffman: …Watching the NOVA documentary “Why the towers fell”, the floors collapse inside the building—that was all done with animation. They didn’t actually show any of the actual imagery of the event… One of the first things I started doing was just collecting all of the photos and videos I could find of it, and archiving them on the site, as a way of creating an archive of that evidence to look at. At least the visual evidence of that event survived—there’s a lot that can be determined just by that. Those visual records of that event are physical evidence.

Cosmos: …To this day, wtc7.net is one of the best sites for 9/11 research. It’s right up there, it’s always one of the first that I recommend to people who are looking into [9/11] for the first time. You’ve also done a lot of work in the study of disinformation and disruption. I’d really want to talk about [this]… a long overdue topic in the [9/11 truth movement]. Some of us have started giving it attention and have come under severe fire. I know that you’ve been attacked yourself for just being involved in critique of different work. Also, for the first time, I am going to be documenting for the first time on this show the full outrageous and ongoing attacks against myself and other activists from TruthAction.org that have been going on for over a month now. It’s pretty crazy. I’ve sort of avoided dealing with this on this show, because I generally just want to focus on getting people out there and getting active. But, in reality, if you’re involved in activism… disinformation and disruption is a key topic that needs to be addressed, because… if you have the potential of being successful, you become a target for disruption, and this is documented throughout history

Jim Hoffman: It’s unfortunate that you’ve been… experiencing all of these kinds of attacks… but it’s also an opportunity to kind of bear how this whole psyop [and the cover-up of 9/11] works. This can be extremely valuable. It’s a measure of your success [the 11th day of the month campaign], that you’re getting these kinds of attacks.

Cosmos: …[We’ve got to] turn it around and turn it into a positive thing. [Commercial break]

Cosmos: Jim’s also done a lot of work in the study of disinformation. What is that? …so many movements have been disrupted, some destroyed by disinformation campaigns. To think that you can be an activist or promote activism and not have to deal with this topic at all is very uninformed, wrong-headed, and quite frankly dangerous. If you focus on disinformation… all these people will say… “this is distracting, don’t talk about it”—I just want to read a quote from my colleague Arabesque, who is a brilliant researcher and great writer, very meticulous, and also in possession of what my friend Scott Nobel calls “superhuman civility”. He says: “The official story of 9/11 is disinformation, which means that the subject of disinformation is a vital and essential topic of 9/11 discussion. The opinion that disinformation is ‘extraordinarily low’ in this movement misses the mark by a long-shot since the very purpose of our movement is to expose the disinformation of the official story of 9/11. We cannot avoid the subject of disinformation.” I think Arabesque says it very well right there.

Hoffman: I think it’s useful to put it in a little broader context… if you look at the history of disruption in [other movements] in the past, the disinformation component isn’t as large or as important as it is in the case of 9/11… articles about COINTELPRO list… infiltration, psychological warfare, harassment through the legal system, extra-legal force and violence—those are the types of tactics that were more prominent in those operations. With 9/11… the facts of the attack are so important just disinformation… takes on a much bigger component the main [purpose of this disinformation] is to ridicule sceptics of the official story. It becomes less viable to do really nasty things like killing people… that would actually give us more credibility. That puts all the more emphasis on the necessity to muck things up by promoting false theories, bad information, muddying the waters—all kinds of disruption to create a hostile environment in which rational critique is not possibleshrouding the verifiable evidence, clear case for an inside job—a key component of the cover-up of 9/11.

Cosmos: I would suggest that what we’re facing in terms of disinformation and disruption is way more than other movements have faced… this is a very touchy topic, because if you are dealing with people who are intentionally disrupting, it makes it very difficult to deal with, because just by talking, addressing it, the potential is there to create more disruption. There’s some key things to focus on [to get around this problem]. The answer is not to ignore this, because then we’re screwed… if we’re willing to continue supporting people who engage in vicious attacks on others, people who pass on bad info repeatedly. The way to deal with this, is not to focus on individuals, but to focus on the form and content of what people are doing. To focus on civility. A key component of disinformation and disruption is ad-hominem attacks.

Hoffman: Civility, having guidelines of behavioural norms, that there are some things that are over-the-line… If people are going to inject racism or ad-hominem attacks, and disruption—why do we waste our time opening our forums to people who do that? There should be these basic guidelines, norms that we follow, and I’ve seen so much resistance to establishing that kind of environment from some of the leaders of the movement. [It’s essential to have a] civil environment in which we can [critique each other] and show that 9/11 was an inside job.

Cosmos: I hesitated to really pull everything out on this show… but I think it’s irresponsible to continue promoting activism without giving out good information about what’s going on in terms of disinformation and disruption. [Commercial break]

Cosmos: How do we deal with [disinformation and disruption]? Education, and activism. We can’t ignore the disruption attempts—some of the quite successful, some of them busted. Michael Wolsey has put together a compilation of information on disinformation and COINTELPRO… then there’s the aspect of dealing with the actual disruption as it’s happening in the movement. The key… is civility because [those] who are [trying to create disruption] spread a lot of ad-hominem attacks. Not discussing things civilly. Stirring things up and creating disruption. By example, we are going to address the attacks against a number of activists, namely myself, TruthAction activists, Michael Wolsey, Arabesque, Col. Jenny Sparks for the last month. Ongoing for the last month. We’re building a case here, we’re documenting it—I’m basically at the point where it’s so outrageous, it’s getting more and more vile… I announced three 9/11 truth resolutions:

1. We have a really solid case, we don’t need extraneous stuff

2. Keep a clean house: Dealing with disinformation, misinformation, and disruption. Avoid naming names.

3. Keep Kicking Ass.

This all started with Webster Tarpley, Bruce Marshall, and Craig Hill and the Kennebunkport Warning… this was spread everywhere. Then word started coming in that [Cindy Sheehan and others] claimed that they didn’t sign it. They weren’t making a big deal of it. The response to this [by the Kennebunkport Warning Promoters] was to heap abuse on these anti-war activists: “wretched individuals”, “appalling liars”. I took issue on this and reported [what happened] on my show, and I didn’t even mention names. I was disgusted that someone representing themselves as a leader of 9/11 truth [said they were building bridges] with anti-war war leaders, and then [heaped] abuse on them. I really took great offense… so I brought it up on the show. What happened next was the onslaught of attacks—non-stop, to this day by Webster Tarpley and his associates, just getting more and more ridiculous as time goes by. It started off with him calling us COINTELPRO agents. This is slander, this is a lie. Then he said we founded by the Ford Foundation. Another lie. He commissioned a very professional kind of political cartoon with FBI [marching orders and FORD Foundation] money in our hands. He took the opportunity of the 6th anniversary speech in New York, [to include] a slide show… we have an entire list of accusations [by them] and it’s really quite hilarious if you read through it. But the ridiculousness of it doesn’t take away from the viciousness. It’s wrong, it needs to stop. [Commercial break]

Cosmos: Slander, Libel and Harrassment… you try and summarize but it’s just so huge, so ridiculous and ongoing to this day: “COINTELPRO”, “Funded by the Ford Foundation”, “Chechen Rebel”, “Jenny Sparks is a Man”, Political Cartoons, Hit Pieces, vile and vicious hate mail from Tarpley’s protégé warning me not to look into this. It’s degenerated into this new kind of psy-op, using YouTube to attack activists. This reeks of a professional operation because there’s about 50-100 of these videos with Webster Tarpley and Eric May… trashing us, saying that we’re Al Qaeda cell members. It’s time to speak up about this, and get some kind of response from our movement.

Hoffman: It’s so clear. What possible motive would there be someone to go making these vicious characterizations of these really well known peace activists like Cindy Sheehan… When people like [Cosmos], Arabesque, and Wolsey report on it, to be viciously attacked by Tarpley with all these ridiculous accusations of COINTELPRO…? Very entertaining to watch, very vivid, just lurid—it’s ridiculous. It’s all just completely concocted, he makes it sound like you, and Wolsey and these people that he’s saying are COINTELPRO just popped up in the last year is just an utter lie. I think it’s a really good test of whether people are really in this in the benefit of our movement: are we going to tolerate this sort of thing? Where are the voices of the alleged leaders of the 9/11 truth movement about this and similar incidents? I think the silence from some quarters is deafening.

Cosmos: When people who are respected just stand by when people are viciously attacked, we saw this happening with Steven Jones all through the year. When people just stand by… with the veneer of non-partisanship.

Hoffman: Or make excuses for it: “I don’t want to get involved, it’s just a personal conflict”, completely smearing over the details of it. The effect that it’s having is to alienate other groups that should be our allies with the most vicious stuff. It’s completely irresponsible not to address it—worse, to make excuses, or even worse, to continue to promote the people involved in this. So-called Captain May… do a little googling on him and you’ll find all these associations to anti-Semitism.

Cosmos: Captain May has been involved in slandering and stalking activists from truthaction.org, [saying:] “we are trained COINTELPRO professionals”. Five days later… videos start showing up attacking us on a bunch of blogs, with encouragement to [harass] us. I [question why] these supposedly prominent people in the truth movement who wish to remain silent and sweep this under the rug, and watch these kinds of attacks go on. If you want to see a truth movement be strong and continue to grow, you won’t let that happen. I’ve given my whole life to [9/11 truth action]. It’s hard enough to do this without being viciously attacked, slandered, and harassed. If you want to see people to continue to give everything they got to exposing 9/11 truth, then you won’t stand by and watch as they are attacked.

Hoffman: And you’ll educate yourself about the whole issue of COINTELPRO and what the nature of this cover-up is—to inject nonsense into the investigation, surround our valid analysis of the attack that can be used in straw-man attacks in the Media, and to create this culture within the movement that is hostile to critique. Our challenge is to create a culture that has these guidelines that doesn’t accept this over-the-line, outrageous [behaviour]. What people are making excuses for it, and what people are pointing it out? Maybe that’s a better indicator of who should be recognized as who is really contributing to this movement.

Cosmos: If you support disruption, and you abide by it, and you keep promoting people who are disruptive, then you become an accessory to it. That’s at odds with “we want unity”. [One of] the tactics [from the 60-70’s employed to allow disruption] that they’ll throw at you is “you’re dividing the movement”. That’s hilarious. People who stand by and watch people get attacked and not do anything about it in the name of unity.

Hoffman: At the same time, you [get] attacked for merely reporting on things, for critique—as if that’s the same thing as an ad-hominem attack. You see people who are making the worst kind of ad-hominems, conflating ad-hominem with critique. That’s a key tactic to shut-up the kind of critique we need to really hone our case. [Pretending that] there’s no such thing as critique, to disagree or to discuss something—[claiming criticism without ad-hominem is] all attack—it’s ridiculous.

Cosmos: The key is civility. That is our weapon in dealing with disruption because that is the heart of disruptive efforts.

Hoffman: We’ve just scratched the surface. It’s so interesting to see this happening to you—it’s just, I’ve seen this, almost like a whole different era. Obviously you’re doing good work to be getting this kind of flack.

Cosmos: We’re just going to take it as encouragement. [End of Show]

See also: The Kennebunkport Warning Controversy: A Study in Divisive Accusations, Insults, and Ad-Hominem Attacks

July 18, 2007

Bush Administration Official Thought WTC Towers Were "Charged"



A senior Bush administration official's first reaction to seeing the twin towers collapse on 9/11 was that the buildings had been deliberately imploded with explosive charges according to an account in Dick Cheney's new biography, which also reveals that Cheney thought Flight 93 had been shot down after hearing of its demise in Pennsylvania.

"At 10:28, the north tower collapsed. The frenzy in the bunker came to a halt and, but for an occasional whisper, the room went silent. On the television, one floor after another gave way, a bit of order amidst the catastrophe. The building must have been charged, thought David Addington, counsel to the vice president, who was standing against the outer wall of the bunker."

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June 27, 2007

Steven Jones Summarizes His Vancouver Keynote Address




Reprehensor from 911blogger:

"I missed Prof. Jones' 6/23 keynote address at the Vancouver 9/11 Conference, however, I caught up with him on Sunday, and he was kind enough to summarize the key points of his lecture for visitors of 911blogger.com who couldn't be in Vancouver."

Jones' lecture will be available in the coming weeks on DVD from www.911tv.org and www.snowshoefilms.com

May 31, 2007

Cindy Sheehan: Twin Towers Collapse Looked Like Controlled Demolition



Anti-war icon Cindy Sheehan has gone public on her support for the 9/11 truth movement after she told a radio show that the collapse of the twin towers looked like a controlled demolition and that there should be a new investigation into the terrorist attacks. [...]

On 9/11, Sheehan expressed her support for the Jersey Girl's petition, which calls for a new independent investigation of the terrorist attacks, slamming the 9/11 Commission Report as a "total travesty and a smokescreen."

"George Bush and Dick Cheney held hands and testified behind closed doors, not under oath," said Sheehan, adding, "There are many things that just don't add up on that day."

Sheehan questioned why U.S. air defenses were distracted by drills and exercises scheduled for the morning of 9/11 and why standard operating procedure for intercepting errant aircraft was not followed for the first and only time in history.

"When you lose control of an airplane, you intercept it with a military jet and that should only take seconds - from what I understand it's not even an order to do that it's mandatory," said Sheehan.

Speaking on the collapse of the twin towers, Sheehan stated, "It does look to me like a controlled demolition - I'm not an expert - but it does look to me like a controlled demolition - I'm looking at common sense."

"I do see some very high profile people saying it was an inside job," concluded Sheehan.

Click here to listen to Sheehan's interview on the Alex Jones Show.

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May 29, 2007

Giuliani Confronted By 9/11 Truthers, Lies About WTC Collapse



9/11 truthers are making headlines again today after confronting Rudy Giuliani in New York on his foreknowledge of the collapse of the twin towers. Amazingly, just weeks after saying the opposite, Giuliani now claims he had no idea the towers were going to fall.



Rudy Giuliani "My understanding was that after a long period of time--the way other buildings collapsed--the towers could collapse; meaning over [a] 7, 8, 9, 10 hour period. No one that I knew of had any idea that they would implode. That was a complete surprise."

Ironically, Giuliani used the word "implode" which is a term often used in place of controlled demolition.

Here is his claim on live television that Giuliani was told that the World Trade Center was about to Collapse (or more accurately "implode").



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May 24, 2007

9/11 Debunkers Hide From Slam Dunk Evidence Of Controlled Demolition



Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, May 22, 2007

Professor Steven Jones presented brand new and compelling evidence for the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7 recently, but the 9/11 debunkers and the corporate media are loathe to tackle it because it represents a slam dunk on proving the collapse of the buildings was a deliberate act of arson.

During a talk at the Rebuilding America's Senses event at the University of Texas last month, Jones laid out facts about steel samples recovered from the WTC site that Popular Mechanics dare not even attempt to debate. Debunkers are scared to even get near this information because the science behind it fundamentally contradicts the official story of what happened on 9/11.

Jones detailed his lab experiments in which he attempted to replicate NIST's conclusion that the lava like orange material flowing out of the south tower is aluminum from Flight 175, the plane that hit the building. Jones clearly documents the fact that liquid aluminum is silver and not orange as is seen in the video of the south tower, therefore the material cannot be aluminum. Jones then explains that the material is in fact a compound that can cut through steel like a hot knife through butter, thermite with sulphur added to make thermate.

The crux of the fresh evidence revolves around newly uncovered globules or spheres that were discovered at the WTC site that Professor Jones was able to obtain and run a electron microscope analysis on.

The spheres contained iron and aluminum, which would be expected in any steel sample, but also sulphur which is a by-product of a thermate reaction.

Prison Planet.tv members can watch this groundbreaking presentation right now. Subscribe here to get access to this and hundreds of other special video reports.

So having moved from a hypothesis that thermate was used to bring down the towers from using video footage and debunking the aluminum explanation of NIST, Jones now has empirical scientific proof, undertaken under laboratory conditions, that thermate was indeed used as an artificial explosive at the World Trade Center.

It has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the collapse of the twin towers and WTC 7 was an act of deliberate arson and not as a result of fires from crashing planes.

Jones' evidence offers no other conclusion that insiders planted thermite devices within the buildings to literally pulverize the supporting columns and cause the collapse of the towers and also WTC 7. Debunkers have uniformly failed to address the existence of thermite and also molten metal at the ground zero site because they cannot dismiss the scientific proof, and are forced to resort to ad hominem insults and smears.

We are issuing a challenge to Popular Mechanics to rebut Professor Jones' analysis of the sphere samples and the clear evidence of thermate at the World Trade Center. Address the focused scientific proof without resorting to ad hominem attacks or straying off topic.

We don't expect the progenitors of yellow journalism to have any answers for what constitutes the smoking gun of controlled demolition.

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May 15, 2007

Confirmed: 9/11 Truthers To Appear On The View



From www.prisonplanet.com

"Confirming our report yesterday, Rosie O'Donnell has validated via her blog that prominent 9/11 truthers are set to appear on The View and educate an audience of around 30 million on the controlled demolition of the twin towers and WTC 7."

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May 4, 2007

DR. STEVEN JONES Lecture in Austin Texas: Project for the New American Citizen: Rebuilding America’s Senses



DR. STEVEN JONES Lecture in Austin Texas

Video Links Courtesy of the Loose Change Forum

Project for the New American Citizen: Rebuilding America’s Senses

PNAC- 4/14/07- NEW 9/11 EVIDENCE

Steven Jones discusses the NIST report, thermite, and his new analysis of “iron rich spheres” found in dust samples taken from an apartment across the street from Ground Zero. This analysis provides additional “smoking gun” evidence that thermite was used in the destruction of the WTC towers. It is noteworthy that these dust samples were flown into this apartment during the destruction of the WTC towers.

Full Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4549750234983943323

Download: http://911mysteries.yweb.sk/download/9-11--PNAC-14.Apr.2007--Steven-Jones/9-11--PNAC-14.Apr.2007--Steven-Jones.avi

pt.1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDiL_q1m67k

pt.2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45p19_-CS5I

pt.3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0XSPPuxglI

pt.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGudMVKswVM

pt.5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ggc0jT19Pj4

pt.6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ9jjZ8Fep4

pt.7: “[Steven Jones:] This data has never been shown before… I must admit I lost some sleep after I first saw Building 7 come down and did the timing on it… I said ‘Man, this is a smoking gun’…It looked so much like a controlled demolition. But now we can consider another smoking gun… [Pointing to diagram], that’s the signature for thermate…it’s remarkable. The match is right on. [Alex Jones in the background:] “It’s arson”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsp3DPTmiN0

pt.8: “I think this is exiting data—it’s publishable. We will be publishing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNGOqSVLgJw

pt.9: “Turns out USGS scientists research also talks about the iron spheres in the dust… I called up… the leader of the USGS study… I wanted to find out—had they seen this, had they not seen this? …I thought they had seen this and had a good reason for not talking about it.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfh5S_FhR4s

pt.10: When you look inside it’s striking… I said ‘do you have any explanation for these iron rich spheres?’ She said ‘well, maybe it’s because [of oxy-acetylene torches].’ …How could these droplets travel [so far]… [USGS studied dust samples from 14+ sites—iron-rich spheres are “frequently seen”]…and furthermore, the apartment [where Jones got one of his dust samples] is about a football field away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkoTE3S5xKI

Watch the last few parts for new findings about iron rich spheres, which according to Dr. Steven Jones is additional evidence that thermite incendiaries were used at the WTC on 9/11.

‘Thermite Hypothesis’ versus ‘Controlled Demolition Hypothesis’: a response to ‘The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis’



‘Thermite Hypothesis’ versus ‘Controlled Demolition Hypothesis’: a response to ‘The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis’

By Arabesque[1]

A review of: The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis[2] by Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds.

Wood and Reynolds have frequently been critical of Steven Jones’ research into the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11.  Their “thermite hypothesis” paper is a series of objections against the possible use of thermite in the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings.  Many of these objections are answered elsewhere by Frank Legge.[3]   

However, there are other problems with their paper.  In particular, it is demonstrable that Wood and Reynolds distort the actual position of Steven Jones throughout their essay.  This tactic is known as a straw-man fallacy:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.[4]

The straw-man fallacy is frequently used to “win” an argument illegitimately.  It can also be used unintentionally.  However, as Wood and Reynolds have analyzed Steven Jones’ work in the past, they should know the topic they are discussing and therefore they should be aware that they are distorting the position of Steven Jones.[5]  From their arguments, it quickly becomes apparent that Wood and Reynolds are attempting to “debunk” the possibility of thermite in the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers with illegitimate arguments based on the straw-man fallacy.

Although not openly stated, their misrepresentation of Steven Jones’ position can be summarized as:

Steven Jones advocates that thermite is the only reason/evidence that the World Trade Center collapsed.[6]

This is clear from the very title of their essay (“thermite hypothesis”).

Their entire essay implies that Steven Jones has no other evidence because they fail to acknowledge any.  This is significantly misleading as Steven Jones’ theory is not exclusively a “thermite hypothesisit is a “controlled demolition hypothesis”.

From the abstract of Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Towers Completely Collapse?

In this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by impact damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned cutter-chargesI consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus impact damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the controlled-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, and can be tested scientifically, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.[7]

There is no mention of any “thermite hypothesis”, or even thermite in the abstract of Jones’ paper that investigates the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7.  As well, Jones’ paper gives “Thirteen Reasons to Challenge Government-sponsored Reports and Investigate the Controlled-demolition Hypothesis.”[8] Again, there is no mention of thermite in the titles of these sections.

Tellingly, the phrase “controlled demolition hypothesis” does not occur one single time in the paper by Wood and Reynolds—although “controlled demolition” makes about 6 rare appearances in a list of 30 objections.  Similarly, the phrase “thermite hypothesis” does not occur one single time in Steven Jones’ paper on the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers. 

Controlled Demolition has 11 features: all of which are argued by Jones and others[9] to be present in the collapse of the Twin Towers and Building 7:

• Sudden Onset
• Straight-Down Collapse
• Free Fall Speed
• Total Collapse
• Sliced Steel (conveniently manageable pieces)
• Pulverization of Concrete and Other Materials
• Dust Clouds
• Horizontal Ejections
• Demolition Rings
• Explosions
Molten metal

Wood and Reynolds ignore all of this and deceptively imply that Jones' hypothesis is solely based on thermite (i.e. “thermite hypothesis”).  Thermite is only a small portion of his complete hypothesis, and is mostly discussed in association with the molten metal found in the rubble of the WTC buildings.  Although Wood and Reynolds call Jones’ theory a “thermite hypothesis”, they ignore the fact that he has analyzed metal samples which strongly implicate the use of thermate.[10]

Wood and Reynolds misinterpret Steven Jones’ actual hypothesis (i.e. a straw-man fallacy) and proceed to only challenge the thermite portion of his theory.  In essence, they imply that disproving the use of thermite disproves Jones’ entire theory (i.e. controlled demolition).  This would be a false conclusion because it ignores the fact that Jones has indicated that more than one type of explosive could have been used in his theory:

I maintain that these observations [of molten metal] are consistent with the use of high-temperature cutter charges such as thermite, HMX or RDX or some combination thereof, routinely used to melt/cut/demolish steel.[11]

From an interview by Jim Fetzer (January 17, 2007):

Jim Fetzer: Q: are you suggesting both [thermate/superthermite] were used in the Twin Towers?

Steven Jones: A: “I’m suggesting that’s possible along with other explosives[12]

The authors ignore statements like these, and continuously imply that Steven Jones is arguing a “thermite-only” hypothesis. 

Wood and Reynolds:

Where is the proof that thermite has EVER been used to completely pulverize buildings in controlled demolition (not simply cleaning up debris)? The mechanisms of cutting and pulverization are mutually exclusive and thermite cuts and melts, it is not explosive. ‘Cutting requires action in one direction,’ says Jeff Strahl, a 9/11 researcher, "while pulverization requires action in all directions."[13]

Their Straw-man argument in this objection is particularly stunning.  Let’s say you have a theory. Your theory (Z) has 11 components:

  1. A
  2. B
  3. C
  4. D
  5. E
  6. F
  7. G
  8. H
  9. I
  10.  J
  11.  K (x, y, etc)

K is comprised of its own elements x and possibly others yet to be identified (y, etc). This is admitted in the theory. You have also acquired physical and visual evidence that strongly implicates that x is indeed present.

Now let’s say someone comes along and says your entire theory is x—ignoring the 11 primary elements of your theory. Imagine someone just called only one part of your theory/evidence your entirehypothesis. Imagine that they ignore the fact that x is only one component of K and can be at least be partially explained by other elements as well.  That would be a pretty impressive straw-man fallacy

Wood and Reynolds have committed this straw-man:  

Z represents Steven Jones’ “controlled demolition” hypothesis.  A-K are the 11 features of controlled demolition. K represents the molten metal.  x represents thermite/thermate, and y, etc are other explosives (i.e. RDX, HMX, etc) yet undetermined.  Although any of these explosives can explain molten metal, only a chemical thermite reaction has so far reasonably explained the presence of molten metal for weeks after 9/11. 

Thermite/thermate does not explode. 

Therefore, it would not explain any of the “explosive” features of controlled demolition!  Steven Jones has analyzed molten metal samples which strongly implicate the use of thermate:

  • He is advocating that it can explain molten metal for weeks after 9/11.
  • He is not advocating that it can entirely explain all 11 features of controlled demolition.

This is why it is incorrect to imply that disproving the use of thermate invalidates the entire controlled demolition hypothesis.  Although superthermite is explosive—Wood and Reynolds are asking specifically here: “where is the proof that thermite/thermate has EVER been used to completely pulverize buildings in controlled demolition.”[14]

In fact, explosives in combination are frequently employed in controlled demolitions.[15]  This inconvenient fact was ignored by Wood and Reynolds, and an illogical “thermite-only” straw-man fallacy is pursued unmercifully against Jones. 

I return these questions to Wood and Reynolds:

  • Where is the evidence that Steven Jones is maintaining a thermate-only hypothesis? 
  • Where is the evidence that controlled demolitions always use one type of explosive?

As well as ignoring the possibility of explosives in combination, the entire paper by Wood and Reynolds can be characterized as a straw-man fallacy because it is not necessary to know which types of explosives are used to conclude that a controlled demolition has taken place.  Although the eleven features of controlled demolition are primarily caused by explosives—we can examine these features separately to determine that a controlled demolition has occurred.  In other words, free fall speed, molten metal, and other features are independently observable from what caused them.  As an example, if we observed the Kingdome crumble to the ground (as it did in a controlled demolition), we would not need to know which types of explosives were used to know that it was a controlled demolition.[16] As David Ray Griffin has said, “No building exhibiting all the characteristics of controlled demolition has never not been a controlled demolition.[17]

The authors ask if the thermate found by Jones was used for cleanup.  This ignores that:

1.      Thermite is extremely dangerous; it cuts through steel like “a hot knife through butter.”

2.      They were trying to find survivors; any cleanup was secondary to finding the victims.

3.      Steven Jones has answered this question repeatedly in his presentations. It appears that the authors have ignored this fact.[18]

Did anyone know that there were almost no survivors in the rubble after 9/11?  The widespread use of thermite would have endangered any attempts to save lives.

The presence of molten metal[19] in the rubble of the World Trade Center buildings is argued by Jones to be very strong evidence of explosives because jet fuel fires as well as other diffuse flames are incapable of melting steel.[20] Wood and Reynolds have never objected to this assertion in their paper. 

The authors fail to rely on physical evidence to discredit Steven Jones’ thermate analysis.  Perhaps they should study some molten samples of their own to determine what could have caused “a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.[21] The New York Times described this as “perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.”[22] FEMA analyzed samples of molten metal from ground zero that had shown strong evidence of a chemical thermite reaction.[23] Indeed, this report strongly corroborates the work of Steven Jones.  Are not Wood and Reynolds interested in solving this “deep mystery”?  Why is it that Wood and Reynolds do not petition for the release of more molten metal samples held by the government in their list of 30 objections? 

VII. The Scientific Method

In this section, the authors imply that they have used the scientific method while discussing the “thermite hypothesis”.  If the scientific method does not ignore evidence, why are Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds ignoring Steven Jones’ position about the possibility of explosives in combination with thermite variants as well as the eleven features of controlled demolition? 

Strangely, Wood and Reynolds claim that the evidence has “contradicted” the use of thermite.  Putting aside all of the aforementioned criticisms, Wood and Reynolds have made no attempt to explain how molten metal could be present for weeks at ground zero in their objections.     

VIII. Aluminum Glows

Wood and Reynolds continue with their often repeated molten aluminum straw-man fallacy.  The authors proceed to discuss molten aluminum, but curiously fail to provide any context:

He fails to account for what molten aluminum looks like if heated to the same temperatures as molten iron (1538°C).[24]

Wood and Reynolds neglect to mention that the necessary temperatures needed are impossible to reach with jet fuel fires as seen in the World Trade Center.[25] The maximum temperature of a jet fuel fire is 1000°C, far below the temperature that Wood and Reynolds say is required to get aluminum to turn orange.  In fact, jet fuel fires are not even capable of melting steel.[26] It is therefore very misleading to say that Steven Jones had not considered these temperatures (1538°C)—why would he when they are impossible to reach with temperatures from a jet fuel fire? As well, the NIST report indicates that the jet fuel fire temperatures were significantly lower than 1000°C—they did not record any evidence of jet fuel fire temperatures over 600°C.[27]

Wood and Reynolds also neglect to mention that a thermite reaction could reach the necessary temperatures to create the observed molten metal/steel that Steven Jones argues is falling outside of the South Tower just before its collapse as seen in video and photographs.[28] Some have claimed that this metal was aluminum from a plane.  Jet fuel fires can’t cause aluminum to reach the necessary temperatures to “turn orange.” A thermite reaction can reach the necessary temperatures, melt steel and account for this visual evidence.  Not only has Steven Jones found traces of thermite in molten metal samples, there is visual evidence further confirming his hypothesis. 

Conclusions:

Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds have failed to discuss Jones’ full hypothesis in their essay, therefore they have failed to answer his full argument.

Even if the arguments presented by Wood and Reynolds in this essay were completely valid, they do not challenge Steven Jones’ controlled demolition hypothesis in any meaningful way.  Effectively, their argument attempts to disprove the type of incendiary/explosive/cutter-charge used—there is no attempt to discredit the possibility of other explosives being used.  Their list of objections completely ignores the fact that Jones’ actual theory involves explosives in combination as well as the eleven features of controlled demolition. 

Ignoring evidence is not scientific and frequently results in biased and unscientific conclusions.  Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds are entitled to any legitimate criticisms of Steven Jones.  They are not entitled to distort his positions and present deceptive arguments.  As they have written papers on Jones’ research in the past, they have no excuse for these misleading arguments.   



[1] Arabesque, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Member and 9/11 Researcher: http://www.911blogger.com/blog/877.  

Note: This article has also been published in the Journal of 9/11 Studies: http://www.journalof911studies.com/letters/ArabesqueReplyToWoodAndReynoldsThermite.pdf

[2] Judy Wood and Morgan Reynolds, The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis, December 14, 2006. 

[3] Frank Legge, A study of some issues raised in a paper by Wood & Reynolds, January 11, 2007.

[4] Definition of Straw-man Fallacy taken from http://www.nizkor.org/:

Person A has position X.

Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).

Person B attacks position Y.

Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

“This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.” 

[5] For evidence of this fact read:

Reynolds and Wood, Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Disintegrate?

Reynolds and Wood, Reynolds and Wood try to help Steven E. Jones, August 27, 2006. http://nomoregames.net/

[6] No source is provided for this implied assertion.

[7] Steven Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse? Page 1.  

[8] Ibid. page 5.

[9] David Ray Griffin, The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True.  Authorized Version (with references & notes). See also:

Steven Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?, Word Document, http://www.journalof911studies.com/.

[10] Paul Watson, Scientific Analysis Proves Towers Brought Down By Incendiaries, June 20, 2006.  http://www.prisonplanet.com/using advanced techniques we're finding out what's in these samples [of iron taken from Ground Zero]—we're finding iron, sulphur, potassium and manganese—these are characteristic of a variation of thermite which is used to cut through steel very rapidly, it's called thermate.”  See also:

Griffin, The Destruction of the World Trade Center and Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?

[11] Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?  Page 6.

[12] Interview of Steven Jones by Jim Fetzer on the Dynamic Duo show on gcnlive, January 17, 2007. http://www.911podcasts.com/files/audio/JimFetzer-StevenJones_20070117.mp3   Listen to about the 83:00 mark and forward for comment about other explosives in combination with thermate/superthermite.

[13] Wood and Reynolds, The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis

[14] Ibid. See Proof of Concept: Questions 2 and 3.

[15] http://www.explosionworld.com/, Did you know?  “CONCRETE VS. STEEL: In the United States and Europe, support columns in most buildings are constructed of either steel 'H-beams' or concrete (with steel reinforcing bars). Some buildings actually have both.  DID YOU KNOW that these two types of support columns require two completely different types of explosives to cause their 'failure'?”

[16] http://www.controlled-demolition.com/, Imploding the Kingdome step by step.

[17] Jim Hoffman, Review of ‘A New Standard for Deception’ A Presentation by Kevin Ryan, October 15, 2006.  http://911research.wtc7.net/

[18] Steven Jones, Answers to Objections and Questions, pages 75-76.  “Researcher Michael Berger checked with a number of steel-cutters and workers at Ground Zero. They reported that oxy-acetylene torches were used to cut the steel members -- Not thermite.  Also, reacting thermite ejects globs of molten white/orange-hot iron – would cause VERY dangerous burns! Therefore, thermite was not used in clean-up.”

[19] FEMA Report: Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study.  See also:

Jim Hoffman, Forensic Metallurgy: Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel Suggests Explosiveshttp://911research.wtc7.net/

“Engineers have been trying to figure out exactly what happened… ‘Fire and the structural damage… would not explain steel members in the debris pile that appear to have been partly evaporated’” from:

James Glanz, Engineers are baffled over the collapse of 7 WTC; Steel members have been partly evaporated, New York Times, November 29. 2001.  See also: http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2005/12/why-was-there-molten-metal-under.html

[20] Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse? page 6.

[21] Joan Killough-Miller, The ‘Deep Mystery’ of Melted Steel, WPI Transformations, Spring 2002.  See also: 

Hoffman, Forensic Metallurgy: Metallurgical Examination of WTC Steel Suggests Explosives.

[22] Ibid.

[23] FEMA Report: Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study

[24]  Wood and Reynolds, The Scientific Method Applied to the Thermite Hypothesis.

[25] “In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a premixed flame, and a diffuse flame.... A fireplace is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire. Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types... The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1000 °C -- hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1500 °C. Taken from: Eagar, T. W. and Musso, C. (2001). “Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?” Science, Engineering, and Speculation”, Journal of the Minerals, Metals and Materials Society, 53/12:8-11 (2001).

[26] Ibid.

[27] Hoffman, Review of ‘A New Standard for Deception’ A Presentation by Kevin Ryan.  The NIST reports low fire temperatures.   

“Paint tests indicated low steel temps (480 F [or 280 C]) "despite pre-collapse exposure to fire"

“Microstructure tests showed no steel reached critical (half-strength) values (600 C)” http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/kevin_ryan/newstandard.html

However, these recorded observations by NIST ignore the fact that there was molten metal as reported by the FEMA report.  This is hardly surprising since NIST called molten metal “irrelevant” to their investigation.  See here:

Jim Hoffman, NIST's World Trade Center FAQ A Reply to the National Institute for Standards and Technology'sAnswers to Frequently Asked Questions’.  August 30, 2006. 

[28] Jones, Why Indeed Did the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse? Pages 12-16.